Five of the six have been published. . Rick Donald said that that would make us the judge, the elders, if we had the letter. And he was the elder who insisted that scathing letters written by former and current staff at Harvest actually reached the members of the board. And I sat and prayed. Thank you. So so sorry for anyone who has had to face the James MacDonald storm. That didnt happen. How come its always wives submit to your husbands and never husbands love your wives? And I, the next day, I wrote and said, Well, okay, I respect your wishes. So lets move on to these letters. Yes, I agree. There was just enough false doctrine so that it was swallowed up with the truth. Divorce sadly acknowledges the truth. And its to warn people, right? So I mean, again, this was round. Should have that should have been enough of enough of a clue for me to say, Wait, wait, wait, thats a check. But by the time we were done that night, the decision that night was two things. No, its not how it went down, Julie. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? We did not hurry. And thats got to be a heavy. If not, youre probably looking at what Paul latter in the chapter describes as an immature child. If you read his letter, he was going to publish his letter. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. And I know its cost you personally. But its also an important podcast, because as you may know, James McDonald is aggressively trying to rewrite history and relaunch his ministry. In June, Visconti also posted a picture of him and his wife with James MacDonald and his wife. How about that one? Dan and his wife, Kim, subsequently left Harvest, but remain committed to the integrity of the Church and caring for those who have been hurt in the Church. Its so interesting. Its come to this. Yeah. Malachi 2:16 has been harmfully interpreted & practiced based on twisted translations, Malachi 2 clearly talks about husbands dealing treacherously w their wives these husbands are the ones who hate and divorce 16 The man who hates and divorces his wife, says the Lord, the God of Israel, does violence to the one he should protect, says the Lord Almighty. But it was at this point that I started to reach out to Harvest and really seeking their comment on some of the things that I had heard. Am I characterizing what happened there accurately? And I looked at it, and I could not read the whole letter in one sitting. He was the senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, United States [1] [2] and was the host for the church's former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word . What Happens Now? Think Ill go preach at my cat nowhe has huge ears & better discernment than those willfully cowering in the open cage of the corporate state-church. It is grounds for separation but not divorce., This view is popular in fundamentalist Christian circles. As I saw it, this letter of unconditional support was a huge and somewhat desperate PR move on James MacDonalds part, to say, hey, look, all our leaders stand with us, I must be okay. You cant unconditionally support anybody. And so I felt relief. And I hadnt I hadnt signed that yet, I hadnt given a statement yet. . Mine havent offered any blessings, but at least they havent eaten my extremities while I sleep. My strength is dried up, as by the heat of summer. Yes, and I would add that baked into the command for husbands to love their wives is the definition of love in 1 Corinthians 13. Julie, are you saying that you support trans mutilation/murder of pre-born children/and are against conservatives? And were like, boy, I hate to say this, but that just felt demonic. I didnt, I didnt argue with him. He is not a pastor. The text included the hashtags #gossipslut #gossipmonger #filthygutterwebsite #cancerinChristsbody., MacDonald also tweeted the invitation, referring to me as Julie Jezebel Roys.. And he says he refuses to read it and says hes not going to mislead the congregation. MacDonald adds, Of the more than 4000 Change Partners once faithfully supporting our efforts monthly, there are now about 150the remnant from which we seek to rebuild. He then invites people to send him gifts. The Roys Report reached out to MacDonald with questions about the email, which he would not answer on the record. And again, this was on the churchs dime. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Theres a number of narratives out there right now about how these letters came to the elder board. Sandy talked about over the years, other staff members coming to her after meeting with James McDonald in tears, just crushed. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. And Stetzer is a huge, huge part of the crooked machine. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! This was a many time thing. I believe the board was deceived by Satan. They said no, for various reasons. How do you how do you do anything with 30 people? For more information just go to Judsonu.edu/visit. And what happened and all the backroom meetings, private conversations and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? The audio recording that the elders reference was aired on popular Chicago radio personality Mancow Muller's show.Muller, once a trusted friend and confidant of MacDonald and also a member of Harvest Bible Chapel, has used his platform recently to call the pastor out on his less-than-exemplary handling of his critics. We STILL confuse sex and gender, which leads to conflating a lot of issues when discussing this. Well, and thanks so much for listening to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. He says, Well, for when I kept silent my bones wasted through my groaning all day long for day and night, your hand was heavy upon me. Well, because Scripture says you do it in front of everybody. Patient, kind, not self-seeking. Julie Roys October 8, 2020. . How do spot a safe pastorand can. And I was still on the board. I know a lot of people look at this. I just knew the Lord made it clear I had to do it. I had asked one of the one of the people on the reconciliation team earlier that day, I said, Im going to go into a meeting with James McDonald and I need I need to have the letters I need to know. Im sorry, before a so called board.removes a man of God they must first consider the fruit of his ministry. And when I look back at it, thats what I think. And I said, I understand that. He was in the many meetings leading up to McDonalds termination. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet.. And I just asked the Holy Spirit to show me You have to show me You have to show me whats going on. And there was a voicemail from one of the pastors at Harvest, in a really sort of pushing for me to sign that put my name to that. According to The Elephant's Debt (TED), a blog critical of MacDonald that launched in the summer of 2012, MacDonald was then taking a salary over $500,000, and living on a $1.9 million estate. You could tell where it was headed probably. I knew that I wasnt going to win any arguments in the room. It was a heated discussion about letters and who should have the letters who should read the letters, etc., that night. And he conspired with these staff to bring these letters because they all just were out to get James. May 19, 2021 10:53 am To some former Harvest Bible Chapel insiders, Rick Donald was not just James MacDonald's right-hand man; he was also his "hatchet man" or "smiling assassin." Load more Why is that? The headlines really heated up after the December 2018 publication of "Hard Times at Harvest," a lengthy expos by investigative journalist Julie Roys. At the end of that weekend, before James MacDonald got fired in February 2019. I remember saying to the larger board, Guys, it is the grace of God that we have these letters. Unfortunately, immature children in grown mens bodies seems to be a thing now. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. In October, Harvest along with lead pastor James MacDonald filed a defamation lawsuit against the author of the World article, Julie Roys, for "asserting false allegations" during her eight . And my job was to get it to fellow elder board. As youll hear in this podcast, there was a strong push to suppress those letters by those loyal to James McDonald. On Thursday, the seventh, I got a text from one of the elders who said, Call me if you can before such and such a time. I had all the letters at that point. I dont believe God makes mistakes when creating us a certain sex. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. That was really wrongdoing at Harvest, would be to repent. But like I said, Hes really working hard to rewrite history. And James, recently, in this video that he posted, said that there was an elder, in these meetings, he says, its very, very disparagingly who, who was holding his Bible and kept reading scripture. https://biblehub.com/hebrew/898.htm bagad (treachery aka abuse) is used FIVE times in Malachi 2:10-16!!! My husband really appreciates James McDonalds preaching against my better judgement I told him about the new messagesso we have the Advent message from his Home Church network cast to the TV I had planned to leave the room so I didnt have to watch it I have to tell you he sounds sincere (without wax) I find the whole situation so heart breaking and confusing. But I think it was And anyway, hes fired. In that same meeting that same Thursday night, he argued, the elders shouldnt have the letters. Thanks for for standing up for what was right. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. We turned out to have six witnesses who wrote 28 pages with innumerable charges. Hi. And we talk about that Scripture and quote it over and over again. Literally more than two dozen people. . You can unconditionally love someone. And today youre going to hear from a former insider at Harvest, former elder Dan George. And all of the elders should resign and repent for what they did. Good to be here. We dont know how much the top people at Harvest make. Am I characterizing that correctly? God will deal with him. Jacob Ross, all the credit card that James used for personal expenses. He teaches that wives should endure abuse like a missionary endures persecution. She keeps demanding I tithe to her and she will ask god to bless me. Well, Dan, like I said, on an earlier podcast that I had with Mancow Muller, I was hoping to be done with James McDonald and reporting on Harvest months ago. I said, Sandy, Im so sorry, for what happened on my watch. The leaders were brought together. And then if you could, please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. Julie, thank you for your excellent work in exposing that which is done in darkness, among the body of Christ. I asked Sandy Song to potentially write a letter. Think of the godly ones youve known and thank God for them. And Im just grateful that finally, the board, open their eyes. I feel that our beginnings, KJV or influences kept many people locked in to the Old Testament, with all of its Thou Shalt nots. One person suggested reading the New Testament first for a change and then read the Old Testament for the beginnings, the stories and allegories and basically manmade superstitions and misogynies. Im gonna put it up on my Facebook page, on my blog. I wasnt looking forward to that. God does not value the sanctity of marriage more than the safety and sanity of individuals in that marriage.. No one takes joy in doing this. This story saddens me. And we already know the answer: the men are in charge no matter what and despite their failings and abuses. It was a conference call because it happened fast. And he opened the meeting, looking at me and said, I know what youre going to do, and the church is going to implode or blow up, and its going to be on you. He was like he started appealing the process. Hi. And man, if you go back and listen to this morning, morning show I I just, I remember turning on the radio and hearing this, you know, Old MacDonald had a call, e-i, e-i, o This young man had put together it only Mancow can can deliver something the way that he does. He was the second longest tenured pastor at Harvest. when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . His support of Kari Lake shows that he supports her lies. To donate, James MacDonald Ministries June 13, 2021 Email, Ed Stetzer Named Dean of Biola Universitys Talbot School of Theology, James MacDonald Preaching at ARC Megachurch in Arizona, Landon MacDonald to Lead Arizona Megachurch Despite Allegations of Abuse When at Harvest Bible Chapel, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. 1) Julie Roys. We dont know what it would look like tomorrow. And everyone who stayed just drank the Kool-Aid. Because I believe in the church. I think of a few things Julie. And we were at a stalemate. They should go to the reconciliation team. Judson University is shaping lives that shape the world. Visconti also had posts supporting far-right causes. No, Im just reporting. Hes like the whole the whole thing was about resigning. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. Whoever said the dumbest thing had to take off an, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation. It was a battle in the natural but more than that, there was a spiritual battle going on then, and I think its still going on now. Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Part II, Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Escaping & Healing from Abusive Churches, Part 2. I mean his letter, not just talking about the abusive behavior of James, but the things he did with the money going on African safaris with the church money. But by the middle of day, right, we were talking about how we were clearly going to have to have an elder board meeting that night. And theres Ephesians 5 about exposing the unfruitful works of darkness having nothing to do with those. uterus or clean out a womb after a stillbirth (because these treatments are labeled abortions, and even that word brings out comments like yours). harmful to the best interests, Disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, continued his tirade against me and The Roys Report on Tuesday, repeatedly calling me #JRgossipslut and asserting that I am, According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. Leslie said: Julie Roys is a Christian investigative reporter who has called out some big names, and she has suffered for it. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. I also knew that I needed to talk enough so that it wasnt like, well, this whats whats going on with him? Its almost like he got a bit weird with elephant conference and his new ministry associations as he left the Gospel Coalition and jumped into the Prosperity group. She wanted me to look at it. Its phrased to make you feel morally superior. (God) says, the prudent see danger and take refuge. Thanks! I thought the weight was dealing with everything else in there was a weight, but that was the weight. You did you have any idea that that this was out there, and might get aired? I said, again, please dont do it just because Im asking you. He scared me in bible college I wanted nothing to do with him. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. The Asbury Revival Is Over. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. We knew what we knew what we were going to do. But James McDonald, he did not like to fly with the commoners, from what I understand. And this wasnt a one time thing. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! So, Dan, thank you for that. The Asbury Revival Is Over. What Happens Now? And you got all of them. If the church wants to regulate marriage, let them say you cant get remarried in their church if you are already married in the eyes of the church. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. Like, I cant believe this. She was a late comer to those of us who had been exposing MacD for a long time. But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, heres the passages Ive been studying. But its a story that needs to be toldand rememberedgiven that MacDonald is trying to relaunch his ministry in Chicago. Instead of focusing on who is stronger and who is weaker, why dont we focus on how both of us can be strong for the kingdom and live out the calling that God has given to each of us individually and as a couple?, Visconti also posted recently on his Instagram story that abuse is not a biblical justification for divorce. But it happened to me in the meeting where I raised a couple things and James McDonald is like, I dont remember that. So that we could live in freedom. I certainly am no Bible scholar. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. Thats what meeting and when youre in a conference called and youre making a decision like that, every elder everybody on the meeting on the call had to make right had the voice be asked any question you have. Very interesting discussion. If theres other passages we should be talking about, lets talk about them. And as people rotated through, there were newer people on the board, and they wouldnt have really had a lot of access to to James McDonald. Dan currently is an executive and leadership coach and the founder of Front Seat Leadership. Ive listened to the entire recording. Youre better off reading the Bible at home with your cat. Because Julie, I knew that, even if Id gotten the chance to read it in front of Harvest, which would have been really hard, but would have been healing to people. I followed his ministry for almost 2 decades. I was at work. These were people bringing charges against an elder. That would be acceptable teaching. John MacArthur, for example, has preached, Scripture does not automatically permit divorce in the case of a physically abusive husband. Instead, MacArthur urges abused wives not to provoke any circumstances that will make your husband become violent. But if he continues to be abusive, The wife should remove herself from danger by fleeing the home if necessary.. There was a push for him to be able to resign, and to negotiate on several points that we now know what have you know, let him walk away with millions of dollars. And there were several of us saying, you know, looking at I Timothy 5, looking at Hebrews 13:17, which tells us that elders are going to give an account. She sends it to me and I wrote it. You really didnt know at that point, whether he was going to get fired, or resign, or what was going to happen until Mancow Muller aired those vulgar excerpts from this hot mic recording that James McDonald didnt know he was on mic. In the area (a south metro suburb of Minneapolis, MN ), that's just the average cost of a house. This is this is one of the biggest things elders could do. And to give you the flavor of the meeting, when I walked in the room, and we all greeted each other, we were in the former executive pastors office around an oval table, and James McDonald sitting across from me. According to his email, MacDonald has been able to hire a small staff and encouraged people to sign up for his Home Church Networkvideo messages for people to use in a home church. And while youre at it, Id really appreciate it if youd help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review. It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader and was misleading us in a very unqualified way. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center to become dean, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation Churchan Association of, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while pastoring at Harvest, It has been said, Show me a persons checkbook and I can tell you what he cares about. Social Action, 1964 James MacDonald, the, Christian actor Kirk Cameron on Monday featured disgraced pastor James MacDonald as a guest on Camerons TBN Takeaways program on biblical illiteracy. 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