Though police have refused to comment on whether the river search is related to Kline or the Delphi murders, sources close to the investigation indicated toThe Murder Sheetpodcast that it is. When the the girls did not show up for their ride home, Libby's family became concerned and family members started a search that was joined by many in the Delphi community. He tells off women in passive-aggressive hostile posts. Also the original SPM1 clarified via my friend that there was not just one stuffed animal but also that there were stuffed animals plural at the scene. Based on his posts, he does appear to have some animosity towards young women, and he is an oversharer. So does a youth, so does the fairest maid Romeo and Juliet (1968) . Here in Gary, about two years ago, a special needs woman and a toddler she lived with went missing. Gray makes over $100,000/year from his podcasts, which is fine by me. Example, women think they got game, they dont.. That sort of thing. Otherwise I think there is some hammer that comes down and hits the pig in the head. Grays videos run to 3-4 hours and may contain five minutes of useful material if you are lucky during that time. "And thats the case. DELPHI, Ind. During a search of Allen's home on Oct. 13, 2022, officers found knives and guns, including a "Sig Sauer, Model P226, .40-caliber pistol," the probable cause affidavit said. "Yeah, that is a weird a** coincidence that I happened to talk to her like I get that.". I dont know why more people arent talking about this connection. Either LE or coroner: It was all over by 3:30 PM.. Our understanding also is that he never even called her to have her bring the keys. I dont agree that any of these people are grifters as everyone says. Because this is a pending investigation, we do not have any details to share at this time., FBI Special Agent in Charge Herbert J. Stapleton. As usual, they do not want to be identified, but I can tell you that once again, we are dealing with a female member of the party, in this case younger than middle aged. Hi Robert. Support the best Delphi sleuthing group of all! That is very interesting. "No. Gray makes over $100,000/year from his podcasts, which is fine by me. But police did not disclose the cause of death at the time, saying only that the case was a double homicide investigation and the girls autopsies have remained under seal. How many teams were present and which team found the girls? Also who said this crime was over quickly? Ok, thats so crazy that its almost impossible to believe its true. Nice guy! It is not a a palette knife, I know that much. The suspect was not someone the families knew, Mike Patty said. Carter, during Monday's news conference, noted the suspect had been living in Delphi all this time, the nearly six years since the teens were found killed Feb. 14, 2017, on a trail east of Delphi. Regardless of whether or not members of the search party were told not to report what they saw at the crime scene, if it was as bizarre as it sounds, I dont see how anyone could keep it to themselves. Delphi Murders Delphi Murders Timeline: Disappearance, Years-Long Manhunt and the Possible Break Liberty German and Abigail Williams went for a hike on the afternoon of Feb. 13, 2017. Ive seen some criticism of your stuffed bear theory, and I personally think its nuts, but if that image is realIf it is real, what do think the motive was? I certainly wasnt there so I cant vouch one way or another. DELPHI, Ind. Im not sure about that. There are photos on his social media from 2015/2016 showing his tattoo, so it cannot be Libby. He tells off women in passive aggressive hostile posts. Police have released a new clue in the deaths of two girls a chilling recording of three words. Greenos videos are almost completely worthless, and group members who have spoken to him told me he has nothing new to add to the case. The chatter rose again after Allen sat down between his attorneys. On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail "Abby" Williams and Liberty "Libby" German were discovered off a hiking trail in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. The inevitable questions arise. Stores would have been stocked with them that week. Would you consider writing a post on him? "That is correct.". Please correct me if you know otherwise. "My office, me, felt it was important to seal those records," McLeland said. In his arguments against unsealing Allen's probable cause affidavit, Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland cited the need to protect the investigation as well as to protect the names of witnesses who might testify against Allen. I live on a fixed income which is barely above the poverty level. In other words, its now proven that more than one stuffed animal was left at the scene. Cookie Notice Is this confirmed? Thanks for posting. What does he mean that they think they have Game but they dont. Could it be that subconsciously people remember not so much the trees but what was dangling from them as they tell what they saw? " (T)he media accounts concerning this cause have contained an undue number of statements relating no only to the progress of the investigation, but conclusions of the investigation, some of which have been untrue.". Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland said the probable cause affidavit and charging information are sealed by the court. I can see it from a teenager or maybe a n emotionally stunted 20+ guy, but this is a middle aged man! Allen's defense has not yet filed a rebuttal argument to the motion for a gag order, and Gull has not yet published an order on the motion. Would that indicate they (Abby and Libby) were put there after the search was called off? Rachel Fradette is a general assignment reporter at IndyStar. Its sad. In other words, that stuffed animal toy is over five feet tall! Becky Patty reflected on the importance of Monday's announcement, speaking steadily and calmly, telling reporters she had envisioned a different reaction. Indiana State Police Allen shuffled his way to the defense table wearing a yellow jumpsuit, a black ballistic vest and his hands awkwardly chained to his chest left over right. Every time one comes up, everybody flips and says this is the guy!! The basics of personal finance, like How to save for a house. Figure out your next step toward financial freedom. Theres one reason I think we can all think of, best left unmentioned, and another, that they were out in the nowhere, possibly hunting but far away from the crime scene. I just cant imagine my peers posting things like that. You would think that a bunch of dolls hanging from the trees and stuffed animals would draw a lot of attention to the killzone if not at night then at least when the lights came back on. Theyre seeing whatever they want to see in him. Press J to jump to the feed. Liberty, who went by Libby, and Abigail, who went by Abby, went for a hike along the Monon High Bridge on Feb. 13, 2017. Next to the drawing, for no apparent reason, is an unusual (to me) looking knife. If I go with the assumption that it might have been a group of searchers that didn't include members of LE, I can't imagine being a member of the community and volunteering to help to search for anyone and then finding the person or persons deceased in probably what was an obvious sign of a homicide(s), especially as someone such as myself who has no LE experience (or medical experience, etc.) "For now, to me, it's about protecting the integrity of this case.". Great Summary! "It could potentially have nothing to do with the girls at all, and that's the sickening thing about it all, that it gets all this talk, but it may have nothing to do with them, and then I get myself all upset over nothing. I will agree with SPM1 who seemed to say that there was a stuffed animal toy at the scene that was so large that BG could not have been carrying it with him on the bridge. What if he's full of s**t? Legal documents released earlier this month also seem to support the assertion. Suspicious as Hell if you ask me. 4 things we learned about arrest in deaths of Liberty German and Abigail Williams, What we know and don't know 5 years after Abby and Libby were killed, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. If its the same guy I think hes a hunter who worked for Tyson. I think I read about that case! I could go on and on. Talk about the helpless, right? But definitely I dont know him.". On February 13, 2017, Liberty "Libby" German, 14, and Ab The Delphi Murder Tip Line was routed to the FBI's Major Case Contract Center in Washington, D.C because of the sheer number of calls they were receiving. We also believe that he never lost them in the first place, and they were probably in his pocket the whole time. "It's obviously significant in some way; I can only just hope that it's for the girls, but we don't know. The agent also references the video on Libbys phone where the suspect says guys, down the hill. She confirms the full video is 43 seconds long. Kline is in jail awaiting trial on 30 charges related to child pornography, but he has not been charged in the Delphi murders. He has been hiding in plain sight, posting his artwork and cryptic statements on FB, etc. Libby talked to him for four months and she was starting to fall for him. Kline is facing 30 child porn-related charges stemming from his alleged use of thefake social media account. An earlier version of this article misstated the date of Logans death. The people paying Hughes and Greeno clearly feel that they are getting their moneys worth. He has the whole town on his friends list. We must trust their sources and investigative techniques. However, the agent said, These statements were found to be factually false and intentionally designed to deceive LEOs (Law Enforcement Officers).. Well, to answer your question, Mr. X was at that 2019 press conference wearing the exact same hat that BG wears in that film. Yeah, I can do a post, but in the post Im going to say hes not it because hes not BG. What do we do next. He was seated right smack in the middle of the room. Officials weren't sure just how many volunteers came, but sign-in sheets appeared to log hundreds." The tip line number is 1-844-459-5786. Because of the nature of the victims wounds, it is nearly certain the perpetrator of the crime would have gotten blood on his person/clothing., The document says authorities also found that two articles of clothing from one of the girls was missing from the crime scene while the rest of their clothing was recovered. Were not doing that anymore. A public court hearing will be set to determine if the documents, including the affidavit in the case, will remain under seal. Very interesting. Its the wife herself supposedly coming back to give him his keys. No one else has come close to uncovering the amount and quality of information we have, and almost the entire community rejects our findings even though they are correct. I doubt hes seen that classic film, but girls as flowers is common imagery. So they were alone with each other, supposedly, from ~2 pm to 3.30-4 pm on a Monday afternoon. How many individuals were involved in the initial search? The superintendent reminded those attending and listening remotely to the press conference to continue sending any information related to the case about Allen or any other individual to the tip line set up years ago: Call 1-844-459-5786; or email abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com. Allen, 50, has been. We have never given up. Were not. The teens lived in the tiny town about 70 miles northwest of Indianapolis. His behavior and his videos are being looked over with a toothcomb and theyre getting it all wrong. Initial searches of the area didn't turn up the girls and local law enforcement halted the search at dark, picking it up the following morning. ", The detective then asked: "So why would you worry about your DNA being on that body? According to prosecutors, Kline used a bogus social media profile with the username "anthony_shots" to contact and illicit nude photographs from numerous underage girls. DELPHI, Ind. Is there any chance the Police Officer NM was murdered and it was made to look like suicide? The main suspect and the CSI guy. Prosecutors fueled speculation during Tuesday's hearing that Richard Allen was not alone when they allege he killed Libby German and Abby Williams in early 2017. Arrest made in Delphi case:Delphi man charged with murder in killings of Libby German and Abby Williams. Why not donate to the best Delphi sleuthing team of all by donating to me, leader of a group of 230+ sleuthers who have been working on the case for four years now? LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB) -- New details have been released in the case of two young girls found murdered in Indiana five years ago. A five-and-a-half-year nationwide search for a suspect in the killings of two Indiana teens ended with the arrest of a local man, authorities said Monday.. How investigators came to arrest 50-year . Our profession will not allow us to speak on what we think, but to always speak about what we know. that they must witness throughout their careers and how extremely difficult it must be to deal with. Was it one person who discovered the girls? Unlike any other sleuthers, we have actually determined the main suspect in the case, and we have a pretty good idea of what happened during the crime and what the crime scene looked like. A large amount of blood was lost by the victims at the crime scene, the agent writes. Theres nothing pathological about oversharing. The 38-year-old was arrested in September 2015 on a warrant for operating a vehicle while intoxicated and driving while intoxicated with a controlled substance. I get accused of that all the time on here, as I pretty much lay my life out pretty bare and naked on here. The two best friends went missing while on a hike through the historic trails Delphi, Ind. Or by their accounts, what were they doing? The multi-agency task force working on the Delphi case is certain that the new sketch accurately depicts the face of the man who killed Abby and Libby. Regardless of what I could happen to "find" by searching as I stated further above in a post, if anyone needed help in my area I would surely help! Sadly these murderers and chomos are a dime a dozen. I'm wondering if the families were even told about what the scene itself disclosed, or given any details about the crime scene such as; how the girls' bodies were left at the crime scene. Any theories? I guess the gist of it is that there were potentially hundreds of people signed up to search, citizen and LE, by the second day? The latter seems to make most sense, but leaves the question to why the CSI guy lied to everyone, including his colleagues. Multiple sources indicate that a man named Richard Allen was booked into the Carroll County Jail Friday in connection with the Delphi murder investigation. I am looking on thoughts on this guy as well. He boasts hed like to beat the guy up even if it means incarceration. Looking at Facebook posts from 2017, its clear that he had reddish hair then and that it could appear curly when short. LE did not say it was over by 3 pm-ish. I saw that. He was also charged with similar offenses in November 2021 - a pending case at the time of his arrest earlier this month. Simply because Delphi, Flora fire, and prior fraud/scams, all would be the same crime. Ive looked at associates of the business owners of the Flora house fire, and there are some very interesting names, big names, powerful names, cop names, etc. He said hes hiding in plain sight," Patty said. Delphi was revenge for Flora. This is one reason I dont think JBC is BG. 2023 CIRCLE CITY BROADCASTING I, LLC. They had embarked on an afternoon hike the day before their discovery. Indiana State Police confirmed to WISH-TV on Wednesday afternoon that the search ended after six weeks. Indiana State Police. Allen was taken into custody on Oct. 26 by detectives on the task force after probable cause allowed it. A kind of sick taunt? Why would they do that? According to Leigh Kerr, the BG took locks of hair from the victims. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Im not sure if the reason for this is because the search parties just mentally glossed over that particular location for more remote spots or because theres something geographically strategic about that particular area that makes it less detectable. Very suspicious. The members of the search party who found them must still have visions and memories of that tragic day etched in their minds. Non-uniform officers searched. Its just conjecture," he said in rebuttal to McLeland's argument. Both of the Pattys are quite insistent that theres no way he did it after all, he was a friend of theirs. Perhaps its a violation of social rules, but thats not in the DSM yet. How long did it take to get everyone together? I'm assuming LE must "ask them" or straight out tell them to keep such information strictly to themselves for the sake of the on-going investigation. Suspect Richard Allen arrested in 2017 killings of 2 teens in Indiana, Four reasons a credit-card balance transfer may be a bad idea, Dont let paying for a funeral add to your grief, Beware of these pitfalls when planning your own funeral. Because sometimes searchers get lost too. wishtv.com your home page, Business, Equity and Opportunities Podcast with Scott Sander, Myles Colvin captivates Heritage Christian crowds, preps for Purdue, Indiana wildlife expert on bald eagle killing: Its sad, IMPD policy on seized guns called into question, Indiana governor grants clemency to prisoner with inoperable brain tumor, 2 tornadoes confirmed in northern Hancock County. Also close friends with Ron Logan and Tobe Lozenby! I am so suspicious of Mr. Xs cemetery hangout and if the rumor about the keys being at the site is true. Logan was never formally named a suspect and never charged in the Delphi murders. This is especially important with the heinous murders of Abby and Libby. Thank you. Authorities previously released a. Richard Allen arrested:Delphi man charged with murder in killings of Libby German and Abby Williams. I've read somewhere a few different times (only via rumor and not fact obviously and my apologies as I can't even remember where I read this, only that I definitely read it somewhere) that one of the girls' was left in a propped -up position against a tree. I don't know. Was just thinking this!! Here in Gary, about two years ago, a special needs woman and a toddler she lived with went missing. /u/LyonPirkey, thanks for the article. Clear as day. 4 min read. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I could be wrong but I did read that. Im sure it will come out. I also think the girls went to the bridge to meet YGS, but they got OGS instead, or possibly both. Begs the question, WTF were they up to? They certainly have my appreciation. "I don't know what they're looking for it could be a weapon, it could be a laptop, it could be something as small as a trophy from the murders - it could be anything. ISP's tip line related to the case will remain open so the public can share information about the suspect or others possibly involved in the case. If thats the case, wouldnt you think they would have been noticed the first day during the search? Make
Thx for the point about girls being abducted off trails and being boxed in on both sides in both cases. I too wondered about foul play. Didnt know, I dont know the gentleman personally at all. I would have thought that the name would have been accidentally leaked in town to let the families handle it if LE is unable to. Makes me wonder if LE did look at him at one point. Can you show me? Delphi murders investigation timeline: Review the case through 5 years of reporting. I do not understand the part about the CSI guy. Theyre seeing evil in everything where theres generally none. "Today is not a day to celebrate," Superintendent of the Indiana State Police Doug Carter said. The investigation is far from complete, Carter said new details and documents will not be released until deemed appropriate in the process. New information about the murders of Delphi eighth graders Liberty German and Abigail Williams became public Monday, and police have a man in custody. He makes public posts that he would, and has before beaten up men who prey on kids. Breaks my heart that the family had to try so hard to get help. A search party found their bodies along Deer Creek, about a quarter of a mile east of the Monon High Bridge. Maybe because he witnessed real dolls where the girls were found? Presumably they were told that they could wreck the case if they told people what they saw. It describes his activity the day the girls went missing. Who said there were stuffed animals at the crime scene? He posts that while at a restaurant, he observed what he decided is a man touching his kids inappropriately. OR he passed the girls and tried to speak to them and was rebuffed by Libby which made him angry, and he then began to stalk them. Stuffed animals at a double murder scene are weird enough, granted. So why waste your money on Hughes and Greeno? Thats why Carter was so livid that night because their main suspect was right there in the room. He is a welder and the hat the BG is wearing looks like a welders cap. I havent seen the tape but a friend saw it and she said he had a huge smirk on his face the whole time. Still, the voice of the suspected. His FB artwork containing two dripping roses and a skull, along with swirls of blonde hair. But now we have a response to that rejoinder. Nearly two years passed before authorities released a second composite sketch in April 2019, this one in stark contrast to the first, which they said more accurately depicted the killer, the Indianapolis Star reported. Carroll County prosecutor Nick McLeland give update on the Delphi murders. It also hints at the idea that they were meeting someone there, a gift for a date. No, but no way is this guy involved. 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